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Discussion in 'NPCs and Creatures' started by Ty525, Dec 22, 2013.
Don't be so narrow minded. If you hate anything with fur you miss out on some good suggestions.
Thats your opinion, and you have a right to it. Doesn't mean you need to waste my time by replying so I see an alert. Stating that doesn't even come close to contributing to the conversation. Its quite rude in fact. Don't interrupt a debate with banter, less you feel like being struck by a horse who prior sped up from canter.
Theeere we go.See?OMG FURSECTION
I say something about the retarded suggestions,and no matter the fuckload of facts and arguments I use to back it up all what you guys fins to say is "OMG FURRY PREJUDICE"
Maybe it's you that are narrow-minded.You won't listen to anything that simply goes against your personal fandom interests,no matter how right it is.Get off this little cloud.The whole world isn't "hating everything with fur",if anything you're making them;it's litterally a pretext you invent most of the time to not have to respond to arguments.Tell me what I could possibly miss out of every "woof woof spacedog thread".Just tell me in what way that could "inspire me" to do anything but other woof woof threads.
That's you who are rude,first off you necro a thread just to spill your furry bias,then you tell me I'm rude because I state my opinion and also you manage to insinuate -no wait,kind of explicitely say- I am stupid.Oh but you said it "Thats your opinion, and you have a right to it",well if I do have a right to it,I don't see why you are mad that I expose it then,mostly when you did with your own for about a page,while all I wrote was a little sentence.
Yay,I am mad.Jump at me,scream all you want;I don't give a DAMN.I've had enough.This community seems unable to function in any other fashion but by judging each other.
Well dudes,you wanna know something funny?I am a fucking furry.Practically,that is;it's been a long time I actually decided to ask people not to call me that.But you have no idea how into this I am.I would enjoy just every anthro mod,and I couldn't care less about it having any pretext to be in the game,but no,I won't stand for that,because as a matter of fact this is wrong and I have a problem with it.I want a GAME.A GOOD GAME,and I have just as much interest as other people would to have it a good game for all free of stupid biases.I don't see at all the point of just trying to force my personal,weird likings into someone else's work.
There is a reason why I never revealed that before,it was because I didn't want people to think differently of what I say because I was "this or that".Oh you think it's stupid?Well look,you can't say I'm a furry hater anymore,bam.Now you actually have to deal with what I say and not how you can paint me,oh snap.
Look right there,I am a furry myself,and I say we don't need all these useless anthro threads,and yes come on it's obvious it's pretty much furry stuff,mostly to people like me.We don't need to take our fandoms (I even hate this word) as a religion.We don't need to have anthro characters in whatever sandbox game we play in.There are mods for that;why don't you just use the bloody mods?!
Stop saying this is anti-fur hate.You're bringing that up on yourself and that's just ridiculous.If people ever hate you it's not because of what you are but how bloody unreasonable you want to be.
No you just blew up at me.
I said stop being narrow minded and ignore the generic suggestions.
OMG THE FURRY CONSPIRACY EVR1 SAYS DIS OMG.
Understood. I have not been attempting to insult you, I have just been saying its plausible that some of the threads are good, and we shouldn't exclude them specifically because they are furry posts. I know there are some really dumb ideas out there, I have seen them. I actually do mod my game, however I feel that something familiar could be added without negatively affecting the game, as long as its well thought.
I don't intend to anger you in any way, I actually am making sure that my mood doesn't affect my post and that I am not being biased. I completely agree with you in the sense that the game shouldn't have a bunch of races added just because it looks good, etc. I have no problem with your opinion, I just wish for everyone in general to not exclude any ideas (furry, or not) because its "too familiar" or otherwise.
Neither you nor I have been arguing against what he says, I have seen your posts too, and he is blowing up for very few reasons. I also have simply been saying no idea should be excluded, and if someone doesn't like it they should ignore it.
Sooo...after seeing many of the discussions here and all the bickering...I made a thread. It is a basic outline of how to properly comment on a post. I suggest everyone read it, and if you have ideas, then reply with them in that thread. It establishes 6 basic rules of commenting, which should probably be followed throughout the entire suggestions portion of the forums. I am hoping a mod will pin it to the top so that the rudeness and bickering stops (hopefully, that was the point of it) but if that doesn't happen then its in Kluex's hands...err...wings?Talons? Whatever.
If someone acts ignorant and they genuinely don't want to stop I get more than a little pissed.
Its best to keep calm when posting, as posting while upset can only lead to trouble. If someone is being a genuine jerk, report them or get a mod. And prior to posting, its best to read the six guidelines for commenting I posted, they outline a lot of good base rules for commenting.
I think I'm only acting like this because I dealt with a really ignorant person today :/ .
That describes 90% of the human population, my friend. However, you have to be the bigger person in the end, so there is a good example that can be followed...if those who aren't the better men want to follow a good example.
You're a +1
Back on topic, please.
And a little less flaming would be nice.
I agree. So much wasted potential with the current races.
It cannot be THAT hard to create specific outfits for non-humanoid races.
However, if done right, humanoids can be very interesting as well. I am loving some of the race suggestions, I think they are much, MUCH better than the current races we have.
Hmm... I still have to side with Aldo on this case. I've been browsing about here and haven't seen many 'furry' races that impress, more often than not, they end up being both poorly drawn and written.
Now you may argue that non-furry races are just as suceptable to this issue.
I tend to disagree. Races that are worked primarily from scratch without a clear singular animal references put the pressure on the author to come up with something new to compliment the appearence within the lore of the race. Its usually the strangeness of the design that makes them alluring.
Now tell me how hard it is to take a canine and make it upright... not very hard to picture now is it? Any old body can do that.
This in turn frequently leads to laziness in writing the race. People think that because they have provided an appeareance and base culture that their job is done and everyone can do the remaining hard work for them by raising hype and filling in the blanks.
Not to mention the lore in many of these is really shabby. I once read a suggestion where the race obtained a spacecraft and piloted it off-planet and to a new one by banging on the control console. Seriously? How did they not screw up and die launching, piloting, and landing it if they didn't even know what the darn thing was!?
I even brought this problem to light for them so they could fix it. The thread was never updated again...
Stub threads are annoying because it shows a few possible problems, such as:
-The author wasn'd done developing their idea (in which case why even post it yet?)
-The author couldn't think of what else to add (then the author probably should have done research or asked for help before posting)
-The author does not have art to illustrate the idea (no art is no excuse for poorly written lore. If author is having trouble, see previous post.)
Also, just as you say you have a right to express your opinion in the form of a suggestion, people also reserve the right to express an opinion of dislike within said suggestion. Don't go prancing about saying 'if you don't like it shut up and stay out", because if the thread has nothing but support without any opinions of dissapproval(followed by suggestions of other options) we would have devs and modders pressured into cranking out a number of poorly made races. Doeen't make the game's character selection seem quite as refined as it is now, now does it?
Expressions of dislike are just as important because it alerts the thread poster that there is a problem with their race.
And the reason you see so many anti-furry posters is because there usually IS a problem with the suggestion itself.
Read my thread post on how to properly comment. All I have to say. It literally explains all of what you said.
I wasn't angry, just highly sarcastic and a bit pessimistic after I had been replying (and facepalming) to dumb comments for 3 hours. In fact, I made a thread on how to properly comment on things. Since so many people seem to just want to debate in a rude manner, and comment rudely.
Uhm, no, no it does not. Now you're just trying to sound smug and place yourself above everyone else because you think they're just being rude and unproductive. They're not, in fact. They're trying to help in their own way, your blatant disregard for the good points in their posts proves this.
You pretty much just told me TL:dr and that your post on forum etiquette resolves the problems I've addressed. Get back on subject and state what you find wrong with my reasoning instead of trying to re-direct me to un-related posts.
Now, tell me what's wrong with people saying they dislike a race suggestion. They play the game too, and they therefore have a right to say what they don't want in the game. If its a suggestion for a mod, then the poster doesn't have to worry about it being a repeat. however, posters can still express what they think about it. More power to the poster if they use the posts, negative or positive, as a tool to make their suggestion better. Why do you not address the question being raised about the overall quality of furry race posts? Why waste your time on etiquette threads rather than make a suggestion thread on how to write and create a GOOD furry race instead of a bad one? It certainly seems like a better way to fix the problem.
I wasn't referring to you in particular. I was addressing the entire thread, though that may not have been clear. This thread is starting to get a little too heated.
I'm going to have to agree with the OP, Mono, and Aldo. Too many races are just "X Animal goes to space! Wow! So interesting! please add my fursona to the game!" Expand a bit from just generic mammals. Expand a bit from just animals. Off the top of my head, I can think of multiple fantastic non-animal races. The Oscura and that one halloween themed mask wearing race both come to mind.
As a furry, I rather like seeing people put out their versions of furry races. However, such suggestions being rather plentiful, especially some species like insects, any race mod I decide to install needs to be that much better, to stand out above the rest, which means I want to see a great deal of work and thought put into the product, and not just "OMG furries in space". If after a look I'm not quite convinced, I'll ignore it.
And so I think the takeaway is that any suggestion worth its salt needs to have some sort of well-built foundation, a relatively complete idea of what you want to do with a race, including determining a reasonably distinct feel for the culture and style of the race. A relatively common initial idea can develop into something much deeper when details are added. An idea suggested just to create something alien can lack the details or consistency to succeed.
If a person can't get past furries in space to see if a particular incarnation has more thought put into it, then they should ignore any furry ideas/mods and let them fall by the wayside if they are going to. If the idea is uncreative, it doesn't need your help to fail. If it succeeds as a mod anyways, then people must have wanted it, even if you personally don't like it. That's not such a horrible thing.
huh the effect one comment can have its funny how simple things can change lives...(did I really just say that on the internet and expect people to care?)
I honestly don't see the point to this thread.
If people want to make suggestions let them.
If you don't like their suggestions make your own suggestions on your own race.
I don't see what is so complicated with that idea.
The best way to prove a point in my opinion is to do something about it.
If you think your idea is better then prove it.
Create your own race \ sprites \ lore and see how popular it becomes.
If it never does - well then you realized you were wrong this whole time.
If it does become more popular then the current art style races then you would be right.
The famous saying comes down in the end
Actions speak louder then words.