Race The problem with most suggestions- my two cents.

Have a gander at a race like the Volans or the Oscura, they're some pretty odd races that are written rather well. This thread has a number of good races that are quite interesting.
There have been a few good animal-based races as well, such as the Marli and the Zahair. Though I still think these two could use just use a tad more tweaking to make them better, but they're far better examples of a race that is themed around a recognizable genus, as you can tell a good amount of thought and effort has gone into them.

 

Well now that things are getting constructive I'm going to take a break.

G'night everyone. Lets all hope for more discussion instead of warfare.

 

I don't agree. If the writing is absolutely awful then it's not the race that people like, it's the art. The race is a combination of culture, history, appearance ect. If the only good thing about a race is it's looks then people might as well mod stuff from people's deviantart galleries because thier suggestion is near worthless. Lore gives the personality to a race, without it all of starbound's races would just be generic aliens. In my opinion the lore of starbound's races are what make them interesting.

 

And again, every thread that I've seen mention a race provide visuals has had at least one person ask for more info and lore if the info isn't already there.

Then why did you state before that people needed a role model of a good race if you turn around and say they're gonna disregard it anyway?! make up your mind!

Seriously, by your logic, none of this will be useful because people are going to disregard it.
Which has been proven false because again, there have been people who have used this thread to improve.

And I'm saying, it doesn't matter if the sprites and visuals are bad, because if the idea is really that good and is described well enough, someone else is going to pick up the slack. You are literally discouraging people from posting with this statement because you're arguing that if they're a bad artist, their idea is bad, which is not true.
I've seen races with bad sprites initially that pick up and have someone else help them out. It's proof that you don't have to be a master to know what you're doing.
Again, visuals are not everything. But visuals are not the key point of this thread, creativity is.

Ok, so you're gonna ignore the fact that not everyone who makes a darn good suggestion has the time to learn how to mod their race. So on top of being forced to learn how to sprite and learn how to write by bumbling over their mistakes in a thread because CC is barred because it's useless, now they have to learn how to mod too!

How is it meaningless? They wanted to see if people will support their idea by posting it. If it's a waste of everyone's time, that was not their intention, so they need to FIX IT.

Then people are going to suggest a change via cc and via threads like this, which are ALSO SUGGESTIONS. You say people have a right to suggest, and yet turn around and say threads like these, which are suggestions, serve no purpose.

See? right there. Right there you just argued against people making suggestions on how to do better.

 

True, but if a person cannot make the sprites or decent art, then by your logic, their race is doomed to failure even if they did their best.
You again rule out the possibility that the person simply cannot create the mod, in which case they need to persuade someone else to help them make it. But I guess if they can't get someone to help them, they failed too huh? Despite them doing everything in their field of expertise.

Google searching and making a Frankenstein monster out of images is a terrible idea. I can do that in a matter of moments but it would still look awful.
Also, not everyone has the knowledge or the programs available to do that. This puts them back at square one where their only solution if to write.
And now you're automatically ruling people out who cannot sprite again, and ignoring the point I made that someone else can very well help them if the op gives a decent description.


Let's look back at the original post to see what the point of this thread was. (Which you still refuse to acknowledge)

The point to this thread was to encourage people to take a more inspired approach to their race other than putting an animal on two legs.

You on the other hand, assume that it's discouraging people from posting altogether if the suggestion they have is poorly executed. You go about saying people are gonna post what they're going to post and that's ok. Yet you base it on things such as sprite work. And you turn about again saying posts with no art are a waste of time and are inferior to a post with art, despite evidence that the person who wrote the thread did what they could to describe the race in words and is currently hoping someone will help them come up with images.
But you say if they google search images to give an example, that's fine.

Yet that conflicts with the OP that the races need to be better constructed and not just a picture of a dog with a description underneath that fills in the blanks.
Then you say as long as they tried 110%, it was not a wasted effort, but turn about AGAIN to say if it's not a mod they wasted their time, and a mod with bad sprites is going to be picked over a mod with better sprites. Despite stating that not everyone can sprite and mod, you continue on with this.

What would you have then DO if they simply cannot DO? If they can't sprite, frankenstine a picture. If you cannot frankenstine a picture, write. If you can't write, collaborate.

Give SOLUTIONS to this problem! Don't stomp about and say if it's not a mod, it's a bad idea and a waste of time.
The people here that have sided with the OP have been trying to produce less washed-up results by giving suggestions and pointing out flaws in races. Some have even aided in supporting suggestions that lacked the above qualities.

 

So you're basically saying that because it's a fandom then it's right.






Lol.

 

Actually he never said that at all. The part you quoted shows nothing like that at all either.

 

"More Alien is a personal preference of a few individuals."



"More Alien is a personal preference of a few individuals."
"More Alien is a personal preference of a few individuals."
"More Alien is a personal preference of a few individuals."
"More Alien is a personal preference of a few individuals."
"More Alien is a personal preference of a few individuals."




No it's not.

Alien is alien.It's not if you decide if it is or not.It's just alien.

Sci-fi = aliens.

 

Of course more alien looking is a personal preference. Everyone has personal preferences and the one you hold is not above all others.

 

Now that's just ridiculous.


It's me who's inventing the language now.


Ahaahahahahaha!

No seriously xD



...Ahahahahahaha!

 

Yeah. It's funny for me too. Opposite for your reason though.

 

Alright then, I'll just got to every suggestion that's text only and tell the person that their idea is a waste of space and time and that they'll never be successful because they're not proficient at making concept art or sprites.
Great idea, that contributes SO MUCH to the community and aspiring modders, let's just shoot down their dreams because THAT'S real productive.

And yet you have the gall to call this thread useless... how shameful



Now can we get back on track and start making actual suggestions on how to be more creative race instead of trying to take the moral high ground only to dash everyone's hopes into the dirt?

How about we first address the issue of the alien 'definition' versus aliens in current fiction in games , movies and books, and how to apply it to what is found into suggestions today?
Surely there must be an easier way to help posters create a suggestion other than telling them to take their favorite animal and slap a psudo-culture onto it. Perhaps we can work out a useful model to assist them in creating some truly unique races visually and contextually via lore.

 

I have been dodging the definition for a while because of one party among us who cant be rational like everyone else. But your right on the issue of definition.

Perhaps we should make a model. If you want to collaborate on this send me a PM and we can set up a doc. Having differing but similar opinions should help in keeping the guide level.

 

You mean the "party" that keeps contradicting itself,going back on forth?

Well that can't be me.

Because I'm not taking any kind of stupid party.I'm not taking any bias.I'm taking a stance depending what should be better for everything on everyone,I don't do that because I follow a stupid trend.



I would argue again;but what's the point?Talking with people that want to argue over the fact that a word would mean whatever the user decides for it,it won't get me anywhere.

 

You don't dictate what is better for everyone else. If you argue rationally perhaps others will take your views more seriously but right now to me it's presented as you hate everything that's not alien.

So instead of fluffing up your post with needless comments actually state what you want to say.

 

Sounds good! I'll get on that! Feel free to drop me a reminder in a pm If I don't respond for a day or so, as I have a lot of assignments to juggle, it's hard to remember side projects.